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This story on the treatment of Islamic immigrants is eerily reminiscent of the early days of the Japanese-American Internment in WW2. My father's friend, Jane Okuda, was a child when it happened; I interviewed her and wrote a detailed paper on her experiences and those of her family...and this just chills me. I've been trying to ignore politics lately, but this is just downright awful.


Christ! Isn't that the sort of thing they came to America to avoid??
I'm really frightened by what is going on in this country, but I haven't the faintest idea how to make it stop. :/
They did end up releasing almost everyone tonight, at least.

Still very very unsettling.

Reasons for detaining

I've just read an article on this, and it seems to me that the ones detained we so detained because of 'overstaying visas or because their immigration papers were not in order'. Now, sure, there might have been some mistakes, and sure, some of the paperwork problems might have been because someone else screwed up, but to me, the majority of the people detained were so detained with good reason.

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It's easy to come up with reasons to detain someone, though. Saying 'we want people to come in for a voluntary registration based on the culture of their country of origin' and then using immigration status to detain them...if the police tried something like that, it'd be called entrapment and could endanger any related court case.

And after all, the Japanese-American internments started as just voluntary registrations and inspections of immigration status. It went downhill from there.

I'm slightly mollified inasmuch as they /did/ release most of the people, but it's still an action I find deeply unsettling, given historical precedent in things like this. :/

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If the police did that, it would not be entrapment. It would be a sting operation which is done all the time and legal. SOme of the more inventive, and successful operations involve informing the suspects that they have won a prize and lure them to a place where the police are waiting, and then arrest them all there, which, is perfectly leagl.
As for the Japanese internment camps, well, yes it was a bad thing. However, this is not the same thing. The people that were arrested here were the ones with something incorrect in their paperwork. Therefore, they were in violation of a law, and well, they should be arrested. I am glad that they released the people that had their paperwork in order, or proved after arrest that the paperwork was faulty through no fault of their own. That proves to me that the system works.

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Identification (usually through voluntary registration) is one of the first steps in the process governments can use to dehumanize a marginal group. It's similar to Japanese internment, and, also, to the Holocaust. I forget all the stages in detail since it's been over a year since I studied the Holocaust (it was both one of the most depressing and most valuable courses I've ever taken), but something like that doesn't happen overnight. It's a gradual process that goes through identification, legislation, segregration, dispossession, and so on, until the ethnic minority being so treated seems so outside the main population most of said main population will accept what's going on.
I'm not saying that's where this is going. There may very well have been valid reasons to detain some or all of them (although I'm not holding my breath). But there's enough similarity to how the ball started rolling downhill in other circumstances to be cause for alarm.